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Few days before the passing on to glory , four select journalists spoke to Prophet Temitope Balogun Joshua of the Synagogue Church of All Nations, in what appeared to be his last interview, on sundry issues. He particularly spoke about his calling, which he said could not be extended to his wife, Evelyn, except it pleases God hence she has remained in the background in the ministry. Segun James presents the excerpts:
How did you get the vision to lead a church?
I was called right here many years ago. Just a few meters away was the hut where I was staying as the other one is the hut where I pray and meditate and also read in absolute serenity. Vision comes from God through meditation amidst nature. Surrounded by nature you can concentrate. It is like you are talking of good lawyers, every profession must have a library, where you can sit down and do some studying. Without this place, I will not be able to concentrate and speak with the Almighty. So this is where I started and I must have a library and a place where I can enjoy nature, not the air condition or fan. So having nature around you is very good. God is nature and without nature you cannot understand the bible, because the bible is not history. When you are reading the bible, you are reading the Holy Spirit. So if you don’t allow nature, when you are reading, you will be reading history.
What is your dream for the future of the church?
We intend to build a university of science, which will incorporate our job here. When you talk of science, theology, medicine, these are the areas we will concentrate upon. When you have a student, this is where they should come and review whatever they are taught. You need some place like this, where you leave everything outside and come and hear the cocks’ crow. But outside here, when they are doing that, you can’t hear them because of noise.
So this place is very important to me. This is where I live, sleep and everything I do. If I want to see people outside here, I go outside, there is time for that, because the bible says that there is time to rest, time to work, time to rest is time to receive from God and time to work is time to give what you receive from God. And when you talk of time to rest, this is the best place to rest, not in the midst of technology or going to New York or travelling about but you rest in the midst of nature.
You said it all started here, how did it start given that this place was a swamp?
This swamp is the rejected stone. God spoke to me and brought me here, I have been following God’s vision and mission. When I am out of God’s mission I am finished. That is why you cannot see me outside here, you cannot hear me speak outside of here. What I want to show you now will leave you shocked. My brother saw it three days ago and was surprised. God’s time is the best and I always follow God’s time. So that is why I only called key people to show them this. So I have been following God’s time, that is why you will not see me preach every Sunday, or go on television to preach every day, I must hear from God before saying anything. Every time can be good for you and every time can be the best time for you, but for me, I must have a corresponding grace or power, because the Holy Spirit must suggest what to do before I do them. If not, I will not be able to have God’s result.
So this is why you are not seeing me out there – at weddings, naming ceremonies and coming to your office to grant and interview, this is the only church – the synagogue here in Ikotun and there is no other branch all over the world but it touches everywhere in the world. So, I am waiting for God to let me know if there will be branches or not. The important thing is that we should focus on building the people and not the church.
Given what is here, not much is reported, why?
They will soon get to know, we are just waiting for God’s time. There are many things to be done in this place. So things are at about 80% completion. If people should know about this place now, we will not be able to complete this job because it will cause distraction. So, it remains a bit for us to get to 95%, when we are at 95% we will let people know. It is going to be by grace, it is not something you pay money for, you can come and see people moving and praying. So, people will get to know; we are waiting for God’s time. After you leave here, I will like you to keep that information to yourself.
Why is it that you don’t want to talk about money?
Not that I don’t want to talk about money, because there are so many poor people around, if I begin to display what I have, can you imagine how much I will hurt those who are here? But whatever I can do to let them know that I understand what they are going through, I will do it. To give them money, to help them, supporting them, not to display what God has given me but to give them the support that they need.
You are always simply dressed, why?
If I have time to dress well I will do that.
Not much is known about your wife and family?
I am very happy about this question. I have a wife and I have children, and even my first daughter is doing her Phd and the second daughter is doing her master’s degree in Oxford. In all, I have three daughters, the last one is still in secondary school. I would have loved my wife to be like me but I cannot make her what I am; it is God. It is not possible for me to anoint her, God is the one that anoints people. So, it is not possible for her to sit here at the same time, this is not biological issue; it is inheritance from the saints, it is a partaker from the saints. Therefore, I should not use anything in my biological life to stop my spiritual life.
I am a native of Arigidi Akoko but as for my divine nature I am a partaker of the inheritance of the saints, therefore, it is so difficult for me. This is an apostolic ministry. It is not a ministry you read bible, go to theology school, you get it and you start preaching. No! It is purely divine. So, it is so difficult for me to display my wife, she has to be ready for God. As much as you are ready for God, God will display her.
Two things that are striking about you. One, you love gigantic projects, and two, you are heavily criticised by many people. How do you take them when you see them say uncomplimentary things about you?
It is always good if at the beginning they don’t see what is good about you. If they don’t see your journey at the beginning they will criticise you. It is good for you, at the end. So, if they praise you from the beginning it is not encouraging. If Nigeria has been accepting me right from the beginning of my mission, I think that will affect my mission to the world. I have gone all over the world, I am the only minister of God that organised a crusade in Israel. I have the certificate which was given to me in Israel. And I also went to Nazareth, where Jesus was born and organised a revival there. I am the first man of God to do that and it was carried in newspapers all over the world, Tell Magazine and the rest. An international cable news network carried it live when I was doing the crusade and a certificate was given to me. That is the greatest joy for any minister of God.
Why was there so much controversy about the crusade?
…Because it happened to Jesus, I cannot be greater than my master. A tenant cannot be greater than his landlord. If the landlord is criticised, who is the tenant? That is exactly what happened to Jesus. They said no, the Muslims were on the streets protesting, the Christian, Catholics and all. But I let them know that God sent me to do the revival in Israel. And top government functionaries, including Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu also sent his representative. So, on the second day I finished the revival, it was God that took me out of the place and millions of people attended. So, you can imagine a man like that, you know what happened to my building when almost 200 people died in synagogue? The CD of what happened is out. If they can go to the extent of killing 200 people spread all over the world, just to get me, so anything close to Jesus can be attacked.
The hypocritical generation where are you heading to?
I have thought of this over and over again and it’s painful. I remember some minister attacked me because I defended my brother prophet TB Joshua during the collapse building and in many occasions. Why do we see hatred , discrimination, division as holiness?
To the young ministers in the prophetic ministry, don’t allow any one to demonise you, make you leave in fear because they hate the prophetic and deliverance ministry. God does not come from any man of God village, no man of God can pocket God . Many preachers have died of depression because of some men of God, who are holiness vampire, who built their holiness and ministry by running down other men of God. Please stay by your convictions.
We have turn ministry to a cult, if you don’t belong to our group, submit to our spiritual father you are fake and diabolic. When a man of God dies from their circle its normal but if it comes from the prophetic circle, they demonise and call it all sort of names. We are waiting at the gate for this so call deputy God to make a comment about Prophet TB Joshua.
Yes, it’s good that you all are posting and writing condolence messages about Prophet TB Joshua.
Ah, I see a generation that prefer the saying of the people than the saying of Christ… “That they may be one…” Saith the Lord.
You never celebrated him on his birthday, you never identified with him or even be bold enough to post his pictures on your ministry social media pages but you are now excited to post his exit picture on every of your platform, can you now see that this generation celebrate death more than living?
I have seen many preachers that makes reference to the messages and words of Archbishop Benson Idahosa but these same preachers never made mentioned of him or his words while he was still alive but they criticized him with passion during his lifetime.
What a generation?
They kill their generals at the war front and then begin to hail them after they have gone to glory.
They persecute them and throw them out of their midst and latter mourn for their departure…
Those teachers who were very careful with Apostle Babalola then that he was using evil power for Ministry, many of such and their children now make reference to Apostle Babalola’s prayer life…
Who has bewitched these folks called Christians?
You said, that man of God is fake and you are real, why not let us come together to pray to the only True God and let’s see if any diabolical power will be able to stand before the God of heaven?
You are the real preacher but you hate and jealous another preacher, can’t you see that you are next in command to the devil?
O God save my generation from this spirit of hate, jealousy and competition.
TO THE YOUNG MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL:
Please don’t follow the footsteps of the jealous spirit of some elders, they tried but they failed totally in this aspect…
Since the day I discovered that all the dimensions of God are too versatile to be made manifest in one man and for that purpose God decides to manifest its divers manifestations through different people in different ways, I have made up my mind never to judge, disbelieve of criticize any man of God.
I’m tired of wickedness converted to holiness in this generation…
A generation that sees hatred as holiness.. A generation that that takes pleasure in discrimination than love…
There’s no difference between this generation and the generation that crucified Christ but when they read their Bible they blame those priest, scribe and Pharisees that killed the Master whereas their own generation appears more wicked than those of old.
The Bible describes our lives as a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes (James 4:14). What is your mission for your short time here on earth? Is it to obtain wealth, position or power? Many are guilty of falling into the temptation to use wealth, position, power and prestige to measure their success in life but Jesus Christ was a soul-winner. That is what He was born for, lived for, died for and rose in power for.
In Luke 4:18-19, Jesus stated His mission statement:
“’The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.’”
Here we can see the ministry of Jesus was for the lost and broken-hearted. Thousands of years later, His mission of love is still changing the world. His mission should be your mission! The greatest way to use life is to spend it on something that will outlive it. For instance, love someone more dearly every day.
It is impossible to live without challenges. How do these challenges relate to our Christian life? That you have challenges doesn’t mean that you are not a Christian! Challenges determine where you are spiritually. They reveal the true condition or position of man’s heart. A true Christian is tested by his ability to face difficult circumstances. As a child of God, your situation is not to impair you but to make you stronger. Your response when you are tested, provoked and tried determines your future.
Hebrews 5:1-8 – Though Jesus was a Son of God, He learned obedience by the things He suffered. He went through agony, anguish and physical pain but He submitted to the revealing Word of God. This means, spiritual growth is a function of obedience to the will of God.
Jesus learned obedience by the things He suffered. We learn obedience by the difficulties and challenges we face today. Challenges are tests to mature us so your response to the challenge of today determines what you will become tomorrow.
“For it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose” (Philippians 2:13)
God never created failure. God never created pain. God never created fear.
Are you ready to be the person God created you to be? At times, our fear, our worries, our troubles seem to paralyse us but Jesus is more than able to release us from them all. Jesus is ready to pick you up and put you back on your feet. He is ready because He wants you to be the person He created you to be. Are you ready?
It is when we throw up our hands to the Lord that His hands have room to work. Ask yourself, “Do God’s hands have room to work in my life?” Remember, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship. How much time do you spend getting your heart in tune for prayer? How much time do you spend meditating on God’s Word? If you want your personality to be taken over by Jesus, if you want to be the person God created you to be, be conscious of Christ’s presence in everything you do because in Him we live, move and have our being.
Prophet TB Joshua of the Synagogue, Church of All Nations (SCOAN), is a remarkable man. I think that every one of us who have met him on any occasion is always inspired and challenged by his life. He carries grace, humility, simplicity and love. He was born in Arigidi Akoko, a remote part of the present Ondo State of Nigeria at a time that part of the country was in the Western Region Nigeria. He was to be known, not because he has rich and famous parents, or because of some academic achievement in science, but because of what he has been able to single-handedly achieve in human restoration and reformation through faith in Christ. The average life expectancy in Nigeria (before COVID-19 set in to further reduce it) is between 53 and 54 years. Hence TB Joshua at 58 has lived above the average age of people of his country, despite his arduous missionary work confronted by opposition from multiple directions, visible and invisible. It has only been possible by God’s grace protecting him; Congratulations for a Happy Birthday with all our Best Wishes to you and your lovely family.
At age 58 God might still not have answered all the prayers of Prophet TB Joshua in the way that he might have hoped but we know that God has used him to reach people in many communities, prisons, orphanages, hospitals and many nations. He had laid hands or hugged thousands of people across the globe in the process of ministration, praying and setting them free from the grip and shackles of Satan. God overlooked any limitations of our prophet and invested him with the ability to uplift hearts and encourage people’s spirits. They got up from wheelchairs, threw away walking sticks, the blind seeing, deaf hearing, all saying “Thank You, Jesus, Thank You, Jesus”.
It has been the grace of God upholding the man of God whilst the entire society remains only carnal, saying things they ought not. Unfortunately, there exists amongst the various sects envying, strife, divisions, and many so-called men of God but living and walking as natural men. While some groups say they are of Paul, others say they are of Apollos. But neither is he that plants nor he that waters anything, but God that gives the increase, (1 Corinthians 3:3-7). Prophet TB Joshua has been teaching on Church unity rather than campaigning against others. Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh and the weapons of our warfare carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. Do you look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ’s, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ’s, even so, are we Christ’s. (2 Corinthians 10:3-7). It is the mighty grace of God that is protecting every true man of God.
The people of God depend on the grace of God. Mother Teresa wrote, “I don’t think there is anyone who needs God’s help and grace as much as I do. Sometimes I feel so helpless and weak. I think that is why God uses me. Because I cannot depend on my strength, I rely on Him twenty-four hours a day. If the day had even more hours, then I would need His help and grace during those as well.” Similarly, Apostle Paul expressed this dependence when he wrote about the thorn in his flesh. Three times he pleaded with the Lord to take it away. But God said to him, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness”,(2 Corinthians 12:9). His grace is not only amazing, it is “sufficient”. It is enough. Prophet TB Joshua also said that “we need God to sit, to stand, to take each step, etc”. Our prayer is Psalms 90:12, “So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom”.
Happy 58th Birthday to Prophet TB Joshua, the man at the Synagogue, Church of All Nations. Emmanuel.
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